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That’s odd. Well, I’ve only been using my Divine Storm on level 60-63 mobs. Went through Ramps and Furne with a teamonsisting of (drumroll): Four Paladins and a Warrior. Perhaps I should try a duel against a Warrior to see the differee. Here’s my Armory profile, if it matters. Ps. Libram of Saints Departed seems to be borked. Ihked theombat log and the rollingombat text, but neither reported any healing done by the libram. It should’ve healed a bit on eh Judgement. the nerfs have hit(yes DS says physal). there is no differee! eept a loss of 100 sustained dps on training dummy!(wtf) you still 3-shot all enemies(4-shot druids). the 1st round of nerfs is typal Blizzard style. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING!(when itomes to pallies) it will be an endless trial n error until 2011. they knew forever that the seal system was a joke and only dided to implement a new one before a major xp. they pied together a rather fair and effient judgement system but iluded about 10 other major overhauls to thelass with it. then they relied on a handful of Beta testers to relearn a new playstyle and tweaked based on that. Blizz failed in making thelass viable(OP is not viable), the Beta testers failed in providing any guidee, and now we are foed to have to relearn to play Ret pally after every future pah. if you dont think Ret will ale to 80, you are reading to many flawed . with the spellAP stat merge Ret will be silly with 4k AP(1300 spell), 45%rit, 20k HP and endless mana. we dont need +haste, +hit, +spell. just lots of +str…sexy. edit: sorry, guide – e + ae = guidae

Double YJMark wrote:Who are you kidding Dil? You just want to say lolRet again HA I admit the thought hadrossed my mind, but nah I really would like them to be good enough in PvE so Ian bring them to raids and feel really good about it. They’re one of the mana batteries now, and sie I’m rerolling DK from ym survival hunter, that is one less mana battery in the raid. I don’t want their damage done over time to go down, just the damage they do in, say, the first 5 sonds or so.

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daggers attking from behind go through resiliae, roguelass fixed, seriously cry I miss dagger pvpdarkmagepaul wrote:daggers attking from behind go through resiliae, roguelass fixed, seriously cry I miss dagger pvp That wouldompletely overpower Mut in PvP.oh heh, i forgot about that, was thinking more along the lines of ShS. umm, ignores 12 of resiliae?or…doesn’t ignore resiliae but ignores armour darkmagepaul wrote:oh heh, i forgot about that, was thinking more along the lines of ShS. umm, ignores 12 of resiliae?or…doesn’t ignore resiliae but ignores armour Ignoring aertain amount of resiliee may be possible, but not likely. They’d buff therit% of Mut through talents. ough* Inverse aling, like your armor penetration goes up as your opponent’s armor goes up, is not a mhan in the game. As sh, having Mut ignore 12 of your opponent’s resiliee will never be put in the game without some drasthanges to gameplay.I say get rid of muti and make the 41 pt. talent something along these lines: If enemy has resiliee 0-100, ignore 50. If enemy has resiliee 100-200, ignore 125 200-300, 200 300-400, 275 400-500, 350 Then you would ignore all but ~140 resiliee on someone who’sapped, but not blow away anyone who’s still in the 200s or so. Problem is, that’s not extly a pvphange. Maybe the talentould rede the energyost of bkstab by 15, but that’s just a wish >_>;;Why go through all that trouble when youan make it a flat peentage of targets resilliee? But, ofourse, blizz won’t take the most logalourse of tion in their “fixes.” If spk were leading the pah fixes, we would have everything perft at pah 1.0.

Im talking about raid damage, should have made thatlearer in my first .can I has your daggers?modusTollens wrote:Im talking about raid damage, should have made thatlearer in my first . Most eounters have several phases that require you to move around, so you’re not always behind the target, whh makes dagger builds all but useless. To be quite frank, sie theyhanged the extra swing pr onombat Swords, there’s really no reason to sp into daggers unless you’re going to go Mutilate, whh simply won’t work onertain bosses urator and Hydrossome to mind).I’ve heard rumors that in 2.4 mhanal and elemental mobsbosses won’t have inherent poison immunity. I don’t know how this is going to effturator, Hydross, and Void Reaver, but it sounds like there’s at least ahae they will be poisonable after 2.4 I would imagine you may find Hydross poisonable when in pure phase but unpoisonable when in poison phase, but that’s a different story. Bigdaddyjug wrote:I would imagine you may find Hydross poisonable when in pure phase but unpoisonable when in poison phase, but that’s a different story. From what I’ve heard, they’rehanging Hydross so that he’s not nature immune during his pure phase. Elemental shaman, rejoe!Positioning sks, you are right about that. I triedombat daggers briefly while we were starting S and was quite disappointed at my DPSoming from a non-dagger build. The poisoninghange to elemental bosses is ne, but won’thange mh. Just irease the dps of theombat rogues out there a bit. Honestly karazhan israp for a lot of rogues sie most mobs are bleed immune in the beginningmid-range. When i started raiding i was mutilate and was behind in dps to a fury warrior that kept dying. -_-;

Healing Wave is your primary spell when there is no AOE damage. Lesser healing Wave is generally a “toh up spell” or an emergey spell. It’s fast but isn’t going to REALLY make a huge differee and is less mana effient. hain heal is your AOE damage rovery. I generally keep the main tank targeted and spam it if everyone is getting rked by AOE. They get the beefiest part of the heal while tohing up everyone else in the party. As everyone said, you just have to kind of wah all the health bars and pray youlk fast enough lol.healing wave mostly in 5 mans. Avoid lesser healing wave eept as an emergey heal to keep someone alive. like alothie. Some situations you will find aoe and splash damage, then it is useful to spamhain heal. casionally in raids I find the tank is taking too mh damage, andhain healan’t keep him up. I have to use healing wave on him. It’s a far superior single man heal. Most of itomes from experiee. It may take a while. Don’t be diouraged. Eventually healing willome naturally. And if you run with the same tank alot as I do, you’ll get customed to how they take damage. Though alot of that depends on the mobs they are fighting. As elemental damage messes my tank up faster than physal damage. Learn not to use lesser healing wave. It’s not like pallies flash of light. LHW is innefient. If youan’t keep the tank up with healing wave either the tank is very undergeared (or perhaps you are, and not right sp). Only times I ran into problems is with a duel wielding warrior “tank”, another warrior trying to tank using a 2 hander, a 68 pally with 7600 health trying to tank BM, and a druid bear with only 12200 health trying to do hero slabs. I’m to the point now I will inspt the tank, and dps before doing heros and sh. I refuse to run if I know we will we. I had a ret pally in my guild keep pushing for hero SH runs, it isn’t going to happen with that lk of dps (and I have seen his Kara numbers- they weren’t great). If you lk too mh dps, you will run out of mana healing.

I was just wondering; what is the healing sequee for 70 resto shammies? I get the whole “keep ES on tank” part, but apart from that, I’m dazzeled. So far, I’ve heard several possibilities; 1) 3x Rank 1 Healing Wave > Rank 1hain Heal > Rank 1 Healing wave to keep Healing Way up. 2) Highest Rank Healing Wave spam 3) The “none-HOT-priest” way; Highest rank Healing Wave on the tank, Highest rank Lesser Healing Wave on who ever gets damage 4) “One button healing”; Spam Highest rankhain Heal. So, what is your sequee? Or rather; what sequee is best?There is no “sequee” for healing. Healers don’t have that luxery. However little or however mh or however many people need healing, that’s what you heal. It’s not any moreomplated than that.There is no sequee to healing, although there is a sort of formula for resto shamans. For raiding you will usually be put as a partygroup healers. And thus will be spamminghain heal and topping off the MT with a few lessers. 5-mans i usually just spam lesser healing wave unless the tank is taking bug damamge in whh i spam healing way. but thats just my experiee.If just the tank is taking damage, use Healing Wave. Youan use rank 12, or downrank to rank 10 and do just fine. If there is melee DPS taking damage as well, youan throwhain heals on the tank and let thehains heal the melee DPS. It’s just a matter of being aware of what’s happening in the fight and reting cordingly. Just bause everyone sayshain heal is the most mana effient heal in the game, doesn’t mean you should use it and only it. It just means that when 3 people THAT ARELOSE TO EH OTHER all need to be healed,hain heal is the best spell to do it with.

As Sethy said, it really depends on what your using it for, PvP, Raiding or Farming. That however is prettylose to a bas all around good build that youan do just about anything with. Personally, I think any Warok build should ilude Demon Embre. Extra +Sta is good no matter what your doing. Also, Shadow Embre is really an all or none talent after the path IMO. Just having 15 there no longer triggers the efft on Soul Shon, so unless your going for the Damage Redtion don’t put any there. If you are going for the Damage Redtion I don’t think it’s worth it unless you go 55.Inoperante wrote:I’veome up with this build and I would really appriate your opinion on it. Basally looking to run Aff with my Imp as my battery, while spamming SBs as DoTs run down. Viable, useful, wasted points anywhere? Thanks! Depending on what you’re planning to do with it, I’d say it looks like a fairly standard Affltion build. Just aouple of thoughts for point spread depending on your style of game-play: Shadowburn is handy in PvP as a ne finishing move, so if you plan on it, I’d say keep it. End-game raids, however, you might not find it as useful as something else. Other talents that might be benefial would be a few points in Suppression to minimize, if only a little, your spells being resisted. Itan apply to both raiding or PvP, but again it depends on whether you think it would be useful for you or not. The two points in Shadow Embrean be argued for their efftiveness, sie a lot of people will only put one, but hardore raiders sometimes max it out sie 5% less damagean add up in long boss fights like Gruul, Lady Vaj, e. With tanks taking less damage, healers will heal a little less and thatan help with their mana effiey. But again, that’s normally seen in long fights and not so mh the speedy tank and spank ones or PvP. The only other thing that you might want to think about for what type of gaming you’re doing is the Improved Healthstone. Raiding guilds tend to like having the “good” HS when you fire up the Soul Well, but depending on how many warlks are in the raid, you may be able to swap those into something like Demon Embre. Added Stam is always good for when you’re getting beat on (or when spamming Life Tap), but if you’re looking out for the team more than not, maybe you keep the ImpHS. Anyways, that is a long winded way of saying that for the most part there don’t seem to be a lot of holes in your build, but there are areas youan always move points around to meet your raiding or PvPing needs. Best of lk out there.

I’veome up with this build and I would really appriate your opinion on it. Basally looking to run Aff with my Imp as my battery, while spamming SBs as DoTs run down. Viable, useful, wasted points anywhere? Thanks!They will probably ask you what you need it for, PvP, raiding, soloing and so on. I would say why not try it Not that youant resp few times and see how you like it. I just respced into most impossible solo PvE build and who would imagine, after few days feeling like a feeble baby inraddle I am tually starting to farm stuff almost as effient as demo. Even with measle FSW and Battlast I managed 5-6k SBrits and I love scing VW for hp regen. I would never say Iould farm stuff like this with so little downtime. Guess I just had too mh of pets, playing hunter lately and all, and I am having very mh fun in playing lk without a pet. I am sure any of our resident raiding lks here would pull their hair out if they saw my gear, sp and playstyle, but whoares I am finally having fun again Give it a try, what may be perft for someone else may not suit you at all when you tually start to play it. Link to this Nov 21st 2007 12:40pm : Logged Reply to this aspira265 Dent shadow embre is kind of useless now from what i heard, i’d probably move those to improvedurse of agony. Thats just me other people probably have better ideas. And improved life tap is a waste if ya got dark pt Moving those 4 points from those 2 to suppression might help with the higher lvl things not sure

Well, how mh Defense do you have now?

490 Defense Gyff, thats urittable.To bome urittable, you’ll need 490 Defense skill. With 55 Antation, you’ll need 288 defense rating to reh that. The Defense and Mitigation Stky on the Paladin forums has a lot more helpul information for tanking.If you don’t have enough defense, pvp gearan suppliment your defense. resiliee is a great way of reding your to berithae. But you don’t get the avoidae thatomes with defense though. But pvp gear usuallyomes stk with tons of stamina, along side with dent threat stats;rithitstrarmorpen.So I finally hit 60 on my warrior and dided after some really long diussions with friends. I wanted to tank instaes, but I also wanted to solo at the same time. Originally, I was a DWFury sp and loved it. Haven’t leveled a warrior easier than this one here before. Oe I hit outlands though that allhanged. I would die to adds every other fight. Now my gear was outdated, but shouldn’t have been too messed up. However even after gearing up after a few quests I should have had an easier time with it, but it was still a problem for me. At that point I swihed to a prot sp, so far a 0546. I don’t know what’s happening, but sie I’ve respced I haven’t solo’d easier than I am now. I am blowing through quests that were a problem for my hunter and mage when I was taking them to 70. Haven’t started instaing yet but will in the next few nights. All Ian say is Damn! So why was this? I read all through the forums and a lot of people suggested fury to 70 before sping to prot, said it would be an easier time leveling. Maybe I was just a bad fury warrior.

If you are either arms or fury sp pieing howl is your friend, it slows them down enough to where youan easily hit them with hamstring instead and go about killing in the normal fasion. Link to this Nov 28th 2007 8:49pm Edited: Nov 28th 2007 8:52pm : Logged Reply to this flaminroids170 Dent Sounds like I have to rely alot on lk then. It seems thatasters know this and 98% of the time I gethallenged its by aaster. Every paladin, druid and warrior thats gone toe to toe with me has lost. With rogues its about 5050. Never fought a priest but warlks, mages and shamans always beat me. BTw I’murious as to if I’m up to sp. I’m at lvl 48, my armor is at 4700, attk power at 531, and HP is at 3000. My mag resistae is very poor however. I need to do some maths I’ve spced a bit bk and forth, and I’murrently a lvl 70 fury warrior, gearing up for tanking heros and sh. I think I have pretty dent gear now, I haven’t ehanted any of my tank items (bar the shield) and I have a lot of gem spots left. This should enable me to make some priorities for the rest of my gear. My question is: With 55 Antation, how mh more +defense do I need? I know that I’ll need to get up to 490 defense rating, but I don’t know how mh extra defense skill I need. That would be useful to know before I go out and buy gems and get even better gear (with more or less defense). Thanks a lot. – Harryplopper Link to this 5 replies Nov 28th 2007 6:01pm : Logged Reply to this Nikkelmand, Pie EatinghampionSage1457 Dent